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Excuse me, but why is there a link to the Ottoman Empire? Noel Ellis (talk) 03:08, 29 November 2008 (UTC) Kelantan is one of the states in Malaysia.

Kelantan is positioned in the north-east of the Malaysian Peninsular. It internationally borders Thailand. Internally, it borders Terengganu, Kedah, and Pahang; other states of Malaysia.

The east of Kelantan is the coastal side with South China Sea washing its beach.

Historically, it was once part of Siam.

Circa 1945, it became the first spot where the Japanese first landed to conquer Tanah Melayu (Malaysia's former name before independence). Amazingly, the Japanese used bicycles to move about alll the way down to Singapore and only took 3 days to do so.

Wait, are you trying to create an article called Kelantan? Don't get confused with User:Kelantan, which is your user name and the article called Kelantan - I copied it over for you :) Dysprosia 04:46, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Malacca didn't conquer Kelantan. __earth 23:29, May 8, 2004 (UTC) Pardon me. I got my fact wrong. __earth 00:13, May 9, 2004 (UTC)

I don't know what this means:

"The peoples of Kelantan, peace loving and friendly by nature, are regarded as among the most Malayan or the Malaysians." Most Malayan? Most Malay, perhaps, but would that apply to the Thai and Chinese minorities, too? I've deleted this and substituted "The people of Kelantan are known for their hospitality," which I consider easier to understand and - I hope - uncontroversial.

Michael 06:41, July 4, 2005 (UTC)

I've also subtracted Wayang Kulit from the traditions that are preserved in Kelantan. Perhaps when I have more time, I'll write at greater length about restrictions imposed on non-orthodox traditions (Wayang Kulit, Mak Yong, Dikir Barat, Main Peteri).

Michael 06:44, July 4, 2005 (UTC)

The translation of the Kelantan State Anthem needs some work, but I'm too tired to do it now.

Kebesaran means greatness or glorification (etc.), so I think that the wish is that Allah will give all glory to the Sultan. Also, "bless" should probably be "blessing," for a noun form.

Michael 07:17, July 4, 2005 (UTC)

OK, I've inserted information about the restrictions on traditional performances of Wayang Kulit et al., under "Politics."

Michael 07:26, July 4, 2005 (UTC)

Someone (218.111.208.9) deleted my addition of "Orang Asli" to the "Demographics" section without comment, and I have reinserted it, in the interests of accuracy.

Michael 08:41, Sep 19, 2005 (UTC)

I gave a shot at editing the English translation of the state anthem, but I probably got some things wrong.

Michael 09:12, Sept 19, 2005 (UTC)

The article looks stylistically (both wikipedia and english) good enough now after Michael's edits, so I'm removing the cleanup tag - Grumpyhan 16:35, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

The user who uses computers with IP addresses starting with 218.111 has repeatedly removed the section on the Orang Asli in Kelantan. There is no room for passive-aggressive behavior or silent acts of prejudice in an encyclopedia. The Orang Asli have been living in Kelantan for longer than anyone else and continue to live there, so they surely merit a secondary subtitle and a single line of text in this entry.

What should be done with this vandal?

Michael 12:01, Oct 31, 2005 (UTC)

I edited the paragraph at the end of the subsection on Malays and then moved it to become the second paragraph under "Demographics." However, I'm not sure it belongs in that section at all. Perhaps it should be moved into the "Politics" section?

Michael 12:20, Oct 31, 2005 (UTC)

I see that there's been some editing for content of the section on the Chinese in Kelantan, somewhere along the line. I don't have an opinion about whether there are now more Chinese who behave "like Chinese" in the "frontstage" than was true a few decades ago, but it would be nice for there to be some discussion of this, so that we can know why the section was edited.

Michael 12:31, Oct 31, 2005 (UTC)

"single-sex queues in supermarkets; separate public benches for men and women" Now I am a Kelantanis and this can't be true. Not that I've observed from my yearly trip back to Kelantan anyways. While I dispute this based on my personal observation, I'd welcome a cited reference on this to correct me.

There's a contradiction in the article. In the second paragraph, Kelantan is translated to "land of lightning," but the first paragraph under "history" offers alternative theories. The inconsistency should be corrected in the most accurate way possible (and probably the most inclusive way, unless one theory can be clearly shown to be more authoritative). (For the record, I was taught in Sekolah Kebangsaan in Terengganu that Kelantan DID derive from "kilatan," and there was a story attached to that, which I unfortunately do not remember. I seem to remember hearing that derivation from Kelantanese people I knew, as well.)

Michael 07:18, Nov 25, 2006 (UTC)

Intro problem[edit]

The 2nd paragraph in the introduction reads like something out of a tourism brochure. Can someone clean it up please? -- Hongooi 16:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the same could be said of some of the language in the Demographics section. -- Hongooi 16:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I've tuned it down a peg. There's room for improvement, though.

Kelantan maju di bawah kepimpinan Ulamak —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.186.30.226 (talk) 09:23, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
can you explain why kelantan is the most socially conservative ? do you have any expert or reference on this statement -kelate- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.85.47.2 (talk) 09:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Dikir Barat Banned?[edit]

I am married to a Kelantanese and thus visit Kelantan often. I have not heard that Dikir Barat is being banned. It is played regularly on the radio and school children will perform them as well. Is the article correct in this making this claim? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.217.76.77 (talk) 01:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Constitution of Kelantan[edit]

How many sections are there, two or three? Needless to say, "Till today,Kelantan was ruled by PAS parties" is not a section of the Constitution. Would someone who is familiar with Kelantan's Constitution please correct me if I am wrong that there are two parts? Thank you. Michael 07:54, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Oil Royalties[edit]

"In 1975, an agreement was signed between the Kelantan Prime Minister of the time Datuk Mohammad Nasir, and the Chairman of Petronas, Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah. According to the terms of the agreement, Kelantan was to receive oil royalties of 5 percent a year biannially, for any oil found in Kelantan or her coastal areas. However, this agreement was never honoured and no royalties were paid to Kelantan." The previous author neutrality is disputed and lead to misconception of facts. He did not cite any relevant authority to support such contentions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azfarhan (talkcontribs) 22:19, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Jajahan & Daerah[edit]

Dabong is not Jajahan, but it's Daerah. The new Jajahan in Kelantan is Jajahan Kecil Lojing Mr Ikan (talk) 16:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

History[edit]

http://www.sabrizain.org/malaya/library/kelantan.pdf http://www.scribd.com/doc/94797930/1868-Kelantan-a-State-of-the-Malay-Penisular http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924023122736/cu31924023122736_djvu.txt

Peranakan Chinese in Northeast Kelantan with special reference to Chinese Religion Tan Chee-Beng Journal of the Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society Vol. 55, No. 1 (242) (1982), pp. 26-52 Published by: Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41492910

21:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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Cham Beniyai[edit]

§ Demographics could use some information on the Cham beniyai ("true Cham" = Western Cham) refugees, mostly from Kompong Cham, who settled in and around Kota Bharu during the time of the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia. The Malaysian federal government was keen to assimilate these Muslims into the wider Malay community. Earlier, there was also cultural exchange between Kelantan and the people of the historical Cham polity in southern Indochina (across Cambodia and the southern hill country of Vietnam), with some Cham youths seeking education in Kelantan; see, e.g., Chams#Advent of the Vietnamese period. yoyo (talk) 13:09, 21 July 2019 (UTC)